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we wa nt we want that general election and we are confident going into the general election because what this by—election shows is the country wants change. the lib dems have retained all the councils they held, while it's been a strong night for the green party. more than half the results, including the mayoral contests in england's major cities, have yet be declared, we'll bring you all the latest. hello, i'm lewis vaughanjones. we will be steering our way through the elections we have had in, looking at what they mean and what is coming up next. i should stress, not all the results are in yet, we will have to wait until saturday for
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the full picture. so far it looks like the conservatives are having a tough time. they have lost half the councils they were defending, similar to how they performed in 1995, and two years after that, they were crushed at the general election. labour, the greens and the liberal democrats all made gains. and labour are celebrating a victory in the blackpool south by—election, with a huge swing from the conservatives. with the story of the night, here's our political correspondent damian grammaticas. ..commonly known as chris, labour party 10,825. cheering blackpool south, a little before 5am, and a decisive labour victory. they were confident of emerging winners in the by—election, but this was emphatic. they have said to rishi sunak and to the conservatives they've had enough. they've had enough for 1h years of the conservatives being in power. they have lost trust of the british people and blackpool has had enough of this failed government. the conservatives,
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who had held the seat, were beaten into second place. but the shock for tories will be that reform very nearly pushed them into third. they didn't get brexit done properly, they didn't cut immigration and people are tired — sick and tired — of the tory incompetence and lies. we're done with it. we're done with the tories. it's time for change. it's time for reform. and the first council of the night to change control, hartlepool. labour and co—operative party, 649 votes. the conservatives lost six councillors here. labour in charge again. the win is symbolic for them, clawing back lost ground. day, thomas william, labour party. 806. cheering in rushmoor in hampshire, labour have taken control directly from the conservatives. boundary changes helped here, but it's also been gaining wards from tories. mounting losses, an unwelcome sight for the conservative
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minister at the count. cheering and in north east lincolnshire, more labour cheer. wow. conservatives lost control of the council here. grimsby is exactly the sort of place labour will hope to win back at the general election. sadly, in local elections, they tend to mirror the polls at national level, and clearly it's a statement of the obvious. we're far behind in the polls nationally and people have followed through at local level. but there are warning signs for labour, too. in oldham, labour lost control of the council. in areas with substantial numbers of muslim voters, it's shed support, losing wards. and elsewhere, the greens have been picking up votes, often at labour's expense. voters are really, really sick of this conservative government and the way they've run this country into the ground over the last 1a years. but they're not really feeling inspired by what keir starmer�*s
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labour party is offering. in stockport, where they processed the votes in a car park, liberal democrats won a couple of wards from labour, modest advances. but the battlegrounds they care about most are yet to start tallying. we're expecting to see gains, we're expecting to see good progress, specifically in the areas where we hope to win parliamentary seats. and i do hereby declare that carol ann shevlin—ney is duly elected. so, the picture emerging is one of labour chalking up gains, conservatives slipping back, and smaller parties winning support from both of them. damian grammaticus, bbc news. we will take a closer look at some of the results now with all of the numbers at his fingertips, nick eardley standing by. the numbers at his fingertips, nick eardley standing by. the numbers we have had overnight _ eardley standing by. the numbers we have had overnight give _ eardley standing by. the numbers we have had overnight give us _ eardley standing by. the numbers we have had overnight give us an - have had overnight give us an indication where we are at. a lot of counting to be done today, some
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tomorrow, this is not the full picture. this is where we are as of ten o'clock. 35 of 107 councils have been counted, you can see the picture emerging, a good night for labour, up 52 seats from the council is counted so far, a bad night for the conservatives. they have lost 122 councillors, that is towards the upper end of predictions. a bad night by what they were looking at. pretty good for the lib dems, pretty good for the green party as well. i will talk and a moment about independents because they are an interesting part of the big picture. this is what it means in terms of councils, labourat this is what it means in terms of councils, labour at three, the conservatives down three. this is the graphic people in the parties will be paying attention to, trying to figure out what it means for the general election. the conservatives vote is down, pretty significant. labour up 5%, pretty happy about
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where that is in particular, they think it shows they are winning in parts of the country they need to win a general election. these are some of the results we have picked out as interesting. redditch, labour gain from the conservatives, rushmore the same, labour have gained hartlepool and thurrock from no overall control. conservatives looking for a glimmer of hope, you might find harlow where they have managed to talk on. —— hold on. we will talk about oldham, labour have lost control. the numbers in more detail, redditch, really interesting, down the bottom, the blue, tory controlled for years, not any more. labour, 21 seats, comfortable majority on redditch council. this is how things have changed. the toys have lost 11 seats, labour upturn. this is a bellwether seat, indicative of what is going on in the rest of the country —— the tories have lost 11
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seats, labour, they are up ten. hartlepool, three years ago, the by—election in hartlepool, the lowest moment of keir starmer�*s leadership when labour lost to the conservatives. they seem to be on their way back in hartlepool, 2a seats to the conservatives it was six, comfortable majority for labour. tories have lost six seats, independents lost two, labour up eight. good news for labour, bad news for the conservatives? on the labour side, a caveat, news for the conservatives? on the labourside, a caveat, in news for the conservatives? on the labour side, a caveat, in some parts of the country, small caveat, a caveat nonetheless, oldham in greater manchester, labour have controlled this, see the red down the bottom, for years, they don't any more. the pink, you can see why, the independents, they have won a number of seats from labour, labour down five, independents ap seven. the five has gone from there to
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there directly. five people who criticised labour's policy on gaza and won seats directly from labour, causing a bit of concern in parts of the labour party that the gaza war is having an impact in some parts of the country. let is having an impact in some parts of the country-— the country. let us look at blackpool _ the country. let us look at blackpool south, - the country. let us look at blackpool south, if - the country. let us look at blackpool south, if we - the country. let us look at| blackpool south, if we can, the country. let us look at - blackpool south, if we can, the new mp for labour. blackpool south, if we can, the new mp for labour-— blackpool south, if we can, the new mp for labour. chris webb, this was a conservative _ mp for labour. chris webb, this was a conservative seat _ mp for labour. chris webb, this was a conservative seat at _ mp for labour. chris webb, this was a conservative seat at the _ mp for labour. chris webb, this was a conservative seat at the general . a conservative seat at the general election, 2019, labour now. by some margin. 6700 majority. you can see there as well, conservatives just held onto second place. a really deal. reform, the successor to nigel farage's brexit party, they came pretty close to finishing second. here is how things have changed. look at that. the conservative vote is down by a third, huge. labour
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cosmic vote is up 21%. reform up 11%. -- cosmic vote is up 21%. reform up 11%. —— labour�*s vote. the next is the graphic of the day. look at the swing, 26% from the conservatives to labour, that is huge, third biggest swing since the second world war. what is interesting is the historic swings, really high swings, they have come in recent by—elections. this is another one. tory mp waking up this is another one. tory mp waking up this morning thinking, what does it mean for the general election? that will make you really worried. good to have a graphic of the day, thank you very much, great stuff. we will go to blackpool because very quickly this morning, as you would expect, labour leader sir keir starmer went to blackpool and spoke to our political correspondent helen catt. we want that general election and we are confident going into that general election because what this by—election shows is that the country wants change. this is a very clear divide. we've had 1a years of
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failure and decline. we've just got chaos on division from the tories. people want to turn the page on that and go forward with labour and our positive plan for the country. yes, why so cautious when you've had such a big win? we want a general election. we want to win that general election. we want to take our country forward. and i thank every single person who voted labour yesterday and put their trust in a changed labour party. but politics and by—elections are about messages and obviously there's a lot of discussion now. what does this mean? i think it's really straightforward. people have had enough. they want to turn the page. they want to go forward with labour. they know we've got a positive case. and i think now, you know, that's a direct message to the prime minister, the most direct of all these results that are coming, many are in, more to come, but this was a direct message to the prime minister, which is, you know, make way, let's have a general election.
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let's allow our country now to go forward. and just quickly, before we let you move on to some other people. how concerned are you about the impact your gaza position is having on your vote in some areas of the country? well, obviously, i'm concerned wherever we lose votes and we intend to win any votes we've lost back. but there's no denying that across the country, whether it's hartlepool in the north or rushmoor in the south or redditch or bellwether seats, we are winning votes across the country and that i think reflects a changed labour party with a positive case to take to the country. so, i am very pleased with the results. blackpool is an incredible result, but we're picking up seats where we need them in other parts of the country as well. keir starmer there. let's cross live to blackpool and our reporter rowan bridge. just talk us through the events of the night. i just talk us through the events of the niuht. ~ , .., just talk us through the events of the niuht. ~ , . ., the night. i think it became clear re the night. i think it became clear pretty early _ the night. i think it became clear pretty early on — the night. i think it became clear pretty early on last _ the night. i think it became clear pretty early on last night - the night. i think it became clear pretty early on last night that. pretty early on last night that labour were going to take blackpool south, i don't think even the labour
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party would have expected quite the size of the swing, 26%, third biggest swing in a by—election since the second world war. labour clearly cock—a—hoop at the result, wanting to focus on it, a reason angela rayner and keir starmer were here at nine o'clock this morning, wanting to capitalise on the result here. i think the other thing that will worry the conservatives is worth the vote went. two thirds of the voters went to labour but around a third went to labour but around a third went to labour but around a third went to reform uk, what was the brexit party. the brexit party almost forced the conservatives into third place, they only held on by about 100 votes. that would have been a particular humiliation for them. the conservatives are trying to downplay this, saying it was always going to be a difficult night for them, always going to be a difficult night forthem, particular always going to be a difficult night for them, particular local circumstances, the conservative and
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he was suspended, caught up in a lobbying scandal, clearly that did not help their prospects here. clearly a very significant win for keir starmer and it has clearly buoyed his mood this morning. we had a bit of his interview _ buoyed his mood this morning. we had a bit of his interview with _ buoyed his mood this morning. we had a bit of his interview with helen - a bit of his interview with helen catt as well. what were the kind of messages he wanted to portray? yeah. messages he wanted to portray? yeah, clearl , ou messages he wanted to portray? yeah, clearly. you could _ messages he wanted to portray? yeah, clearly, you could see _ messages he wanted to portray? yeah, clearly, you could see he _ messages he wanted to portray? yeah, clearly, you could see he was _ clearly, you could see he was feeling very confident and he was buoyed by what had happened and calling for a general election now, as you might expect from a party leader looking like they are 20 points ahead in the national polls. it was also interesting when helen catt asked him directly, are you going to win the general election? he did not give her a straight answer. i think it is because keir starmer has the element of caution about himself, he doesn't want to appear overly confident, he doesn't want the labour party to get over their skis on this, he still wants
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their skis on this, he still wants the labour to fight as if in second place, the underdog, because i think the labour party... they remember what happened in 1992, there was a sense the labour party thought they would win and they didn't. keir starmer does not want another 1992, he wants a 1997, which is incidentally when labour took blackpool south and held it for 20 years. blackpool south and held it for 20 ears. , ., ~ , ., y years. interesting. thank you very much for that. _ years. interesting. thank you very much for that. we _ years. interesting. thank you very much for that. we will _ years. interesting. thank you very much for that. we will be - years. interesting. thank you very much for that. we will be like - years. interesting. thank you very j much for that. we will be like with you a little later. i want to stick with what happened in blackpool south, leader of reform, richard tice. pm south, leader of reform, richard tice. �* ., ., ., , tice. an extraordinary night in blackpool _ tice. an extraordinary night in blackpool south, _ tice. an extraordinary night in blackpool south, we - tice. an extraordinary night in blackpool south, we got - tice. an extraordinary night in| blackpool south, we got within tice. an extraordinary night in i blackpool south, we got within a whisker of defeating the tories into second place, 100 votes. our best by—election by a significant margin, way above our national polling average. it knocks into a hat the
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naysayers who said we could not do it. elsewhere in the north, in sunderland, we beat the tories in 16 out of 25 wards. what is rapidly becoming clear... we out of 25 wards. what is rapidly becoming clear. . ._ out of 25 wards. what is rapidly becoming clear... we will come back to the councils, _ becoming clear... we will come back to the councils, sticking _ becoming clear... we will come back to the councils, sticking with - to the councils, sticking with blackpool south, and we will come onto the results elsewhere, you did certainly very well considering previous performances, how frustrated from your point of view that you did not beat the conservatives into second? it would have been great _ conservatives into second? it would have been great of— conservatives into second? it would have been great of course, - conservatives into second? it would have been great of course, but - have been great of course, but nevertheless, we are delighted with 17%, above our national polling average, our best by—election result, and what it shows actually with great local candidates, more and more people are hearing about reform and i like the message they hear. everybody knew labour would win this. if you look at the collapse in the tory vote, they went from 50% down to 17%, seismic shift.
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voters, what about the idea for photos that actually you did very well the national vote share and all of the things you just mentioned, nobody would dispute that, but still were nowhere near actually winning a seat, so what does it say to voters? it says we have the wrong electoral system in this country because it is potently unfair if you are getting 17% of the votes across the country, but because of the system you cannot get seats, that actually shows democracy is not working, that is why most western nations have some form of proportional representation. the great irony, tories are collapsing so fast, very soon they will be begging for proportional representation to stop a complete annihilation of the tory party, wouldn't that be a thing? interesting, electoral reform high on the agenda for parties like the liberal democrats. in time, no such shift in the offing. away from
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blackpool south, what is your assessment of reform's performance? the first council votes were in sunderland in the north—east, we beat the tories in 16 of 25 wards, significantly outperforming our national polling share. we are delighted, we have very important male results being counted over the next day and a half. in the north—east and manchester, i think we could surprise people —— mayoral results. as more people hear about reform, we are becoming the real opposition to the labour party in the north, the midlands, in wales, we are on the way up. quite clear the tories are on the way down. if you say you are becoming the real opposition to the labour party, isn't the electoral truth that if people vote reform, they take votes away from the conservatives and they get labour? away from the conservatives and they let labour? ., , ., ' .
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get labour? there was no difference between the — get labour? there was no difference between the main _ get labour? there was no difference between the main two _ get labour? there was no difference between the main two parties, - get labour? there was no difference between the main two parties, the l between the main two parties, the variance of socialism, higher taxes for 70 years, highest government spending for 70 years, worst public sector outcomes, lowest growth per decade for 70 years, longest per person recession currently in, two years long, the longest purpose in recession for 70 years. an economic catastrophe and the labour party's plans will not achieve any economic growth whatsoever, we hear nothing on that, we have a bold plan to make work pay, an ambitious plan to get to zero awaiting less on health care, which is absolutely essential. there are so many areas of british life that need fundamental reform —— zero waiting lists on health care. you said word is getting out about reform, if that is your ambition, nigel farage is pretty well known across the uk, you want him to stand, don't you? i across the uk, you want him to stand, don't you?— across the uk, you want him to stand, don't you? i very much i that the or help — stand, don't you? i very much i that the or help he _ stand, don't you? i very much i that the or help he feels _ stand, don't you? i very much i that the or help he feels able _ stand, don't you? i very much i that
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the or help he feels able to - stand, don't you? i very much i that the or help he feels able to give, i the or help he feels able to give, he has a big decision to make, the clock is ticking —— do more help. the general election, might be in the summer. most people think autumn, but there are a number of circumstances where it could be the summer. the more help nigel feels able to give, the better. obviously he thought he had left front line politics, we trusted the tories in 2019 to get brexit done properly, they have messed up, had their chance and blown it and that is why we are saying we have to become the real opposition to labour's socialism.— real opposition to labour's socialism. ~ ., . ., , socialism. we know the election is cominu at socialism. we know the election is coming at the _ socialism. we know the election is coming at the end _ socialism. we know the election is coming at the end of— socialism. we know the election is coming at the end of the _ socialism. we know the election is coming at the end of the year, - coming at the end of the year, wouldn't it be helpful of nigel to come out from your point of view before the local elections, given your profile boost before? there are certain contractual regulations with regard to his existing broadcasting contract and things that are important as well. as i say, he has a decision to make, the clock is ticking, but the more help we can get, the better. he ticking, but the more help we can get, the better.—
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ticking, but the more help we can get, the better. he is probably the best-known _ get, the better. he is probably the best-known politician, _ get, the better. he is probably the best-known politician, alongside l best—known politician, alongside borisjohnson probably. highly respected. let's wait and see. lastly, you were not standing in every seat, far from lastly, you were not standing in every seat, farfrom it, in these elections, what are you aiming for for the general election?- for the general election? standing in 630 seats. _ for the general election? standing in 630 seats, focusing _ for the general election? standing in 630 seats, focusing on - for the general election? standing in 630 seats, focusing on making| in 630 seats, focusing on making sure we have candidates in every seat across england, scotland and wales, and we boost the profile. where we are standing in 12, 13% of council seats, we are achieving at or above our national polling average, and that is a sign of real significant progress.— average, and that is a sign of real significant progress. richard tice, leader of reform, _ significant progress. richard tice, leader of reform, thank - significant progress. richard tice, leader of reform, thank you. - let us speak to westminster, ben wright is there for us. can we take a bit of a pause, a step back, the bigger picture, where are we? the bi aer bigger picture, where are we? tue: bigger picture, where are we? tte: bigger picture is bigger picture, where are we? t"t2 bigger picture is emerging, bigger picture, where are we? tt2 bigger picture is emerging, slowly. we have only had a tenth of councils declaring results. these are all
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provisional observations we are making at this stage of their weekend, friday, saturday, sunday, still getting results through the weekend, and that is what the tory chairman which holden was saying on the airwaves, wait for the weekend to unfold before making big observations —— richard holden. clearly a bad set of results for the conservative party. they thought it would be bad, looks like it is. they have lost control of important councils, labour have taken over in places like hartlepool. and in the wreck in the south—east. in rushmore, in hampshire. these are bad results for the conservative party, very good results for sir keir starmer and they are results that seem to show the opinion polls are broadly correct, the improved is the state of play in ballot boxes —— it is being improved. bleakfor the tory party at the moment. we have
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big mayoral results and big councils to declare today. so far, the mood in tory hq will be very despondent. what does it mean in what you are hearing, speaking to sources in westminster, what does it mean safer for rishi sunak�*s position? fine westminster, what does it mean safer for rishi sunak's position?— for rishi sunak's position? one of the big question _ for rishi sunak's position? one of the big question is _ for rishi sunak's position? one of the big question is going - for rishi sunak's position? one of the big question is going into - for rishi sunak's position? one of the big question is going into the | the big question is going into the elections, in the diary as a potentially perilous moment for rishi sunak. we know his tory mps are restive, despondent, glum, they note that hole they are in. the question has been fifth quite a few weeks, will they after the elections make some sort of move against the prime minister? —— the question has been for quite a few weeks. and still someone else conservative mps hope might have a better shot at whisking them in a general election? there have only been two tory mps who have said they have put in confidence letters to the 1922 committee calling for a leadership contest. i am not sure that even if
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the results are as bad as the tory party thinks they will be that enough tory mps feel a sensible thing to do would be to try to uncork another rebellion against a sitting tory leader and prime minister this close to a general election. the mood might change over the weekend and into next week and we will be watching very carefully, phoning and speaking to tory mps off and on the record about what they think. ithink it and on the record about what they think. i think it would take quite a lot for enough tory mps to think the electoral salvation might lie in the upheaval of another leadership contest to try to save their party prospect position. i think they feel it could look completely absurd after borisjohnson, liz it could look completely absurd after boris johnson, liz truss, having rishi after borisjohnson, liz truss, having rishi sunak, after boris johnson, liz truss, having rishi sunak, trying to roll the dice again to find another leader who may save them from potential electoral catastrophe at the general election. i think it could look ridiculous to a lot of
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voters and i think that is the prevailing mood among most tory mps. prevailing mood among most tory mp5. the more immediate future, what are we expecting this afternoon and into tomorrow in terms of results? we have a very _ tomorrow in terms of results? 2 have a very busy 48 hours, as i said, coming up, lots of councils declaring in the course of late morning, include the afternoon. i think the next big thing to watch out for is the result of the tees valley mayoral contest, the conservative incumbent, ben houchen, seeking real action. conservative incumbent, ben houchen, seeking realaction. in conservative incumbent, ben houchen, seeking real action. in 2021, conservative incumbent, ben houchen, seeking realaction. in 2021, he conservative incumbent, ben houchen, seeking real action. in 2021, he won on a vast chair of the vote, about 72%. he is a big character, hoping he can win. the tory party has been in the last couple of weeks relatively confident he can hold on. there is not a candidate from reform, there is not the threat from the right depressing the conservative vote. we will see. it is around lunchtime we will get the
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result in tees valley, one of the big ones that will determine how the elections are seen in the round for rishi sunak and the tory party. the other big mayoral contest that has the impact, could have the impact, and a street�*s we election in the west midlands, but we will not get that result until tomorrow —— andy street. that result until tomorrow -- andy street. 2 . ~ that result until tomorrow -- andy street. ,, . ,, ., , that result until tomorrow -- andy street. 2 ., , ., that result until tomorrow -- andy street. 2 ., street. quick round-up of political reaction to — street. quick round-up of political reaction to the _ street. quick round-up of political reaction to the results _ street. quick round-up of political reaction to the results we - street. quick round-up of political reaction to the results we have - street. quick round-up of political| reaction to the results we have had so far. the chair of the conservatives richard holden told us earlier results have been disappointing. mr; earlier results have been disappointing.— earlier results have been disappointing. earlier results have been disauointina. g ., ., ., disappointing. my heart goes out to a lot of my conservative _ disappointing. my heart goes out to a lot of my conservative colleagues | a lot of my conservative colleagues who i have been campaigning with who have lost their seats overnight. although we have only seen around a third of councils, a couple of pcc, none of the big mayoral contest yet, some disappointing results obviously some disappointing results obviously so far. but also some areas like harlow where we have managed to hold
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conservative councils. and in newcastle upon tyne, finally we have a conservative councillor there for the first time in 32 years. overall, disappointing night for us. here the first time in 32 years. overall, disappointing night for us.- disappointing night for us. here is the conservative _ disappointing night for us. here is the conservative mp, _ disappointing night for us. here is the conservative mp, dame - disappointing night for us. here is l the conservative mp, dame andrea jenkins. the last 24 hours, i think rishi sunak has got a message, wake up, the conservative, or we lose. that is the message that has come through _ that is the message that has come through. the by—election result, yes, _ through. the by—election result, yes, doing — through. the by—election result, yes, doing disastrously in by—elections, but what it has demonstrated is reform cannot muster enough _ demonstrated is reform cannot muster enough votes to win seats, but they can hand _ enough votes to win seats, but they can hand seats to labour. the co-leader_ can hand seats to labour. the co-leader of _ can hand seats to labour. the co-leader of the _ can hand seats to labour. t“t2 co—leader of the green party is standing in the next general election and she says the local election and she says the local election results are good for her. although the previous constituency bristol west was already promising for the green party, even more so with the boundary changes, we think
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the changes roughly halve the labour majority on their own, not accounting for the fact that voters opinions, the leadership of the labour party, it has changed, a number of factors locally and nationally. in simply my experience speaking to voters on the doorstep, voters are really sick of this conservative government and the way they have run the country into the ground over the last 14 years, but they are not really feeling inspired by what keir starmer�*s labour party is offering and they are excited at the opportunity to vote and elect the opportunity to vote and elect the city's first green party and t. reaction to the results, we were taken to the numbers —— green party mp. nick eardley, a good story for labour, not straightforward, a bit of nuance, talk us through it. i{finite of nuance, talk us through it. quite im ortant of nuance, talk us through it. quite important to _ of nuance, talk us through it. quite important to remember _ of nuance, talk us through it. quite important to remember that, - of nuance, talk us through it. qt t2 important to remember that, bad night for the conservatives, not doing as well as some would have hoped. in fact, doing as well as some would have hoped. infact, proving doing as well as some would have hoped. in fact, proving worse than some feared. labour doing well. that
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is i think one particularly important caveat that we need to bearin important caveat that we need to bear in mind and that is what is happening as a result of the conflict in gaza. we know labour's has been criticised over its policy on how long it took took call for a ceasefire and that seems to be having a bit of an impact on the vote in some parts of the country. let me show you this, we have looked at some council wards with a high muslim population, a caveat to this, by the way, only seven of 58 of the key wards we flagged up have come in so far, but look at that, the labour vote is down in these areas that have come in so far, 16%, and look who seems to be making up the numbers, the green party up 19%, is conservative vote down as well, but remember it is down across the results we have had so far. labour's vote so far is up. but down in these
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areas. let me show you that in more detail. this is the broad picture. we started over here. this is the picture across the country. vote chain since 2021, conservatives down 14%, labourup chain since 2021, conservatives down 14%, labour up five, chain since 2021, conservatives down 14%, labour upfive, other chain since 2021, conservatives down 14%, labour up five, other parties up 14%, labour up five, other parties up to — three. focusing in on areas with high muslim population, very different indeed. the conservatives down 11, labour down 16, green party up. if you are in conservative hq and trying to figure out what impact the war in gaza has had, i think these numbers will give you a bit of cause for concern —— if you are in labour hq. one result might illustrate this, oldham in greater manchester. this has been labourfor years. down the bottom, all of the red shows the cancer was controlled by the labour party. not any more. —— the council. labour still by far the biggest party but they came short of majority for the 31 seats
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they need and this is why, the increase in the number of independents. look at that, labour have lost five seats, the independents have added seven. five of them stood on a specific platform that was criticising labour and criticising the war in gaza. it does seem to be tangible evidence that in certain parts of the country, like oldham, the labour vote is taking a hit because of its policy on the war in gaza. . ,. . hit because of its policy on the war in gaza. ., ,. ., ., ~ i. let's speak to ali milani, chair of of labour's muslim network. thanks for coming on the programme. thanks for coming on the programme. thank you very much for having me. what do you make of those numbers? it is something i and many others have been warning about for a long time. it is clear that the pain,
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